DEEP Dive podcast series continuous: episode 3 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Douglas London, a retired senior officer with the CIA, who is currently with Georgetown University’s Centre for Security Studies and the Middle East Institute. He is also the author of The Recruiter: Spying and the Lost Art of American Intelligence. Douglas and Sajjan address the value of human intelligence, the security challenges in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the importance of the Haqqani Network and its convergence with al-Qaeda, and the regional agendas of Russia and China. The full interview, including entire transcripts, can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/